If I refined someone else’s playing as much as I do my own, it would make them hate me. That’s how I’ve always done it, and my process is mostly refining. I think in figuring things out on my own, there is a certain amount of pride in not having help. But with storytelling you’re comfortable bringing in someone else? That surprised me, because on your albums, you play all the instruments, record and produce. And then I sent it back and said, “What do you think now?” It was three or four times back and forth, until he interpreted it exactly how I wanted it to be. He sent me back what he thought was happening in the story, and I then changed a few details because I could see the ways he was being misled. ![]() So I sent the lyrics to my friend Nicholas Olson, who is a writer, and said, without any explanation, “What can you pick up from this?” I needed to know if someone could figure out any of the things that I was trying to subtly hint toward, or even general details of the story. I spent so much time just working on the lyrics and rewriting things that I realized that most of it was only accessible to me. In Norm’s universe on Shauf's latest album, songs that sound sweet on the surface reveal darker underbellies with a turn of phrase. I could write it to a certain point and just let it drift off. I didn’t need to show what happens at the end of the story. It made me realize that so much of the things that we find in stories are happy accidents and the way we interact with something is going to be the most important thing to us. But during that time, I ascribed all this meaning to a scene that wasn’t in the movie. And I was like, this must have been total mayhem in the theatre. I was watching for three minutes, then five minutes. The shot looked like it was zooming in really slowly. ![]() It came to this scene where there’s a key on a table. I watched it at a point in the writing where I wasn’t sure how to tie the story together. You’ve said you were captivated by David Lynch’s Mulholland Drive while working on this album, a movie that definitely has space for interpretation. I need to be done with this idea for a little bit. I started the disco record in exactly the same way, so I thought, I don’t know how to approach this.
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